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Using the Herbs We Grow Forum
February 7, 2002
Moderated by Kay Philips

Judi z.

Can you let us know which herbs are better preserved by freezing and which by drying?

Kay

The herbs that I freeze are basil and chives. Chives because they are hollow and once the water is removed from them in drying they amount to almost nothing, so I prefer to freeze them. You can do that by chopping them and putting them on a cookie sheet till frozen then transfer them to a plastic bag.

I also freeze my basil and I do that in ice cubes. When I need basil in a soup or stew etc., I just pop in the ice cube with the basil already frozen in it.

Other herbs that are likely to loose their flavor when dried are: Chervil, Cilantro, Fennel, Lovage, and Sweet cicely.


Tina

Which do you consider the basics (I'd say something like top 5, but if you have more I don't want to stop you!)

Also, how would you recommend harvesting and storing the herbs for later use?

Kay

The basic herbs that you should have on hand will depend on what you want to do with them....probably my list will be different than most. Since I do a lot of crafting with herbs I use a lot of Silver King, garden sage, lavender, calendula, patchouli, catnip and peonies.

My favorite culinary herbs are: parsley, sweet marjoram, lemon thyme, pineapple sage and basil.


Loisann

I have a young grandson who has shown an interest in my plants. I am thinking that a big pot of herbs might be a fun way to get him started in growing something of his own. What herbs would you suggest for this project?

Kay

Kids like chocolate mint, any mint is pretty hardy and hard to kill, they also relate to peppermint since it is found in toothpaste and gum. Since peppermint is great as a summertime drink kids will get a kick out of making a drink from their own special plants. Pineapple sage, although it gets really big is another one kids are drawn to. If I were planting a grouping for a kid, I would put in some violas since they are edible and will be impressive to a kid in a salad! Any herb that they are familiar with will be a hit such as oregano since that is a popular pizza herb. Aloe, would be another one that your grandson would like because it is used to treat skin ailments including sunburn so chances are when he is visiting at some point he may need a bit of aloe squeezed out onto
a sunburned arm or neck.

Bee Balm will attract butterflies and hummingbirds so that might be another plant that will make an impression on a child.


Judi z.

Now that we'll be putting our woolens away, can you give us a recipe for moth sachets?

Kay

When I make a moth sachet, I like to use the cedar wood shavings that are used for hampster bedding as a base, then I add moth repellant herbs to that mixture. I usually add a few drops of eculyptus essential oil to the mix.

How about if I list some herbs that will repel moths and you pick and choose what you have and just mix it all together. You will have a nice herby smelling mixture. If you don't care for the fragrance, it can later be altered with the addition of some essential oil.

Southernwood, mugwort, wormwood, tansy, santolina, thymes, mints, particularly peppermint, sweet woodruff, rosemary, sage, lavender, rue, pennyroyal, lemon verbena, eucalyptus, red cedar. There are also some spices that can be added to the mix: crushed cinnamon sticks, cloves peppercorns, coriander seeds, dried lemon peel.

Contain them in a pretty little bag that you stitch up, or purchase muslin bags and put the mixture in those, the muslin bags can easily be refreshed each season.

Remember to replenish each year.


IvyNHZ5
Even though I scrub it out, have had a problem with one cupboard that gets mealy bug looking critters if I put pasta, cereal, stuff like that for any period of time. Pipes do come up from the cellar through it, & it's warm. Any herbal suggestions?

Kay

Adding a bay leaf to the flour bin will keep weevils away, I am not sure about mealy bugs though.....I suggest that you empty out the cereal and pasta and repackage them in air tight clear plastic containers. Not very herbal. Anyone else got a solution for mealy bugs??

(additional comment from jwj)
Spearmint can help with a lot of the bugs in the cupboard,, I usually use the leaves or in a pinch spearmint gum works as well. It has to be a decent spearmint though not one that has crossbred with the peppermint, there are several in the southernwood and worm wood family that also work ok, but you cannot put them in the containers, you have to scatter them around in the cupboard shelves.


Chris in UK

I've never quite understood why some plants are supposedly poisonous eg digitalis, but are still used for medicinal purposes. Are there any herbs we should be wary of Kay?

Kay

I'm glad you asked that question Chris. Digitalis is the one we are warned about often and yes it is used in heart medication but the difference is that the chemists that use it know exactly how to use it and how much to use. One mistake someone might make if they don't research first is to assume that because it is natural and from nature that the herb is ok to use for healing. Anyone who is using herbs for healing should first get some good books and learn how to use them and the dosage. Just like you wouldn't take a whole bottle of aspirin for a headache, neither would you go out to the herb garden and start swallowing herbs.

You are safe with the common culinary herbs, but there are some such as pennyroyal that have been taken as an abortive, rosemary essential oil is not recommended to be used by pregnant women.

I am sure that there are many perennials also that are poisonous also, I like to keep herbs such as digitalis and pennyroyal at a different location so that children touring my gardens are not tempted to eat plants that might be harmful to them. I like to research any herbs that I buy and right now off the top of my head I can't think of more herbs to warn you about, but I am sure there must be some. Anyone else want to jump in with harmful herbs?


Cornus

Are there any herbs that grow particularly well in sandy, acidic soils? Are there any that would be winter hardy in zone 7?

Kay

I'm going to have to ask for help on this one. I have only studied growing herbs in my own little corner of the world and am not very familiar with growing in Zone 7 or sandy soil. I hope someone else can jump in here with the answer for this one.

(comment from Joaniesgarden)

One thing I do now about most herbs, they love well drained soil, and very poor soil, which is why they are such a joy to grow...I have a different problem, I have heavy clay soil, so I have to incorporate sand, and other aggregrates into my soil to get it to drain in the area I want to grow them. I'm not sure about zone 7, I know I cannot winter over rosemary in my zone 5, basil is too tender an annual to keep very long in the fall. As well as most other herbs labeled an annual. Parsley here, tends to stay for a very long time, and if I keep it protected with straw during the winter months I can harvest for a long time...when they come back the following year, they produce seed (biennial) Cilantro is the same way. If you look thru a good catalog, they should mention it's temperature range, and growing requirements.


Tina

While my lavender is lovely, the stems are not long enough to make wands. Which varieties do you recommend with long flower stems?

Kay

My favorite for lavender wands is Grosso. It has nice long stems.


Tina

Can you tell us a bit about some of your favorite crafting projects using herbs?

I've got a lot of Rosemary, Lavender (too short for making wands) and Thyme and often don't know what to do with much of it outside of culinary uses.

Kay

I like to use rosemary and lavender both in potpourri. They would also be good in a simmering pot.

Lavender has dozens of uses since it is known for its calming properties. I use it in sleep pillows, herbal heating pads, moth sachets, lavender sachets, etc. You can't have to much lavender.

Rosemary is great for the hair, I have heard that it will help with hair growth, it will help to condition oily hair, prevent dandruff and give your hair body. Make a strong decoction and add 2 tablespoons of the decoction to a mild shampoo (baby shampoo) A decoction can be made by boiling one part herb in 4 parts water for 30 minutes and then straining out the herb.

Rosemary and lavender can also be used in a bath tea blend.

Tina

Could you tell us how to make such a decoction for shampoo?

Kay

A decoction can be made by boiling one part herb in 4 parts water for 30 minutes and then straining out the herb.

I also forgot to mention that I usually use thyme to make cute little culinary wreaths by wrapping the thyme around a 6" willow base.

Tina

When you use the lavender in sachets and sleep pillows. Do you cut it up? Crush it? Do you use only the flowers or the green as well? You're talking to someone who is a total novice at this!

Kay

When I make a lavender sachet, I just use the lavender buds, I also use a bit of oak moss that I have added some essential oil to. I am using the oak moss as a fixative, it will help to hold the fragrance longer if you use a fixative. Other fixatives you can use are orris root, and cellulose fiber. Add the essential oil or fragrance oil to the fixative and then add the lavender to it.

I just use the lavender buds in a sleep pillow also because the dried stems tend to be sharp and could poke through the fabric. Since I use a sleep pillow between the pillowcase and pillow I am looking for herbs that will not be sharp and possibly cause a scratch to the users face.

(comment from Datura Lady)

Well I like making my own potpourri, with dried flowers and herbs, and adding essential oils. I have many books, and do you know, if you pick any of my books up, they will be scented. I also press flowers from my garden, everything is from my garden. I dry my flowers and herbs for my potpourri. I also dry orange and lemon peel, cut it up small first in strips. I collect acorns and leaves too, all sorts go into my mixtures. I love all the scents of the different potpourris I make, then I add my own oils etc to make a mixture for my bowls and baskets. Beautiful they are.


Judi z.
Do you have some favorite books about herbal crafts?

Is there a good, reasonable source online that you like for essential oils and other supplies for herbal crafts?

Kay

A lot of the books I buy on herbs have a section that deals with herbal crafts and using your herbs but my favorite herbal craft book is by Phyllis Shaudys and is titled "Herbal Treasures". She has month-by-month projects for gardening, cooking and crafts listed in it and is a delightful book.

I don't really have a particular on-line source that I use for crafts, it would depend on what you are searching for, so if you are more specific I might be able to help you.

It is a good idea to buy your essential oils from a reputable company since they are not controlled by the FDA or other government agency that I know of so some could be cut with a carrier oil and you may not be getting what you think you are. I sell 1/4 oz. vials of essential oils on my website:
http://www.herbaldesign.com but just have the basics, if you are looking for the unusual essential oils or larger quantities check http://www.rainbowmeadows.com

(comment by Datura Lady)

I have loads of dried flower books, and herbal remedy books, potpourri Books. I have a sweet book called "Scented Souvenirs" Potpourri. Illustrations by Charlotte Wess , author Gail Duff. It's all about making your own potpourri mixtures.

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